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Dec 26, 2023

Did Someone Say "Trout Spey"


Steelhead tend to be the star of the show at this time of year, but the Trout Spey fishing should not be overlooked!  Most of the famous trout fisheries in the Rockies and Northwest are not crowded and the fish see little pressure. This can make for some of the best streamer fishing of the year. The staff members at GFS are all Trout Spey junkies. Give us a call to get your gear dialed in.


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Jul 26, 2018

RIO InTouch Trout Spey - Shooting Head - New for 2019


New from RIO - InTouch Trout Spey Shooting Heads

Scandi type shooting head ideally suited for light trout spey two hand and single hand spey applications


The INTOUCH TROUT SPEY SHOOTING HEAD has a very easy casting, short head for anglers using light two-handed trout Spey rods, and regular single-handed fly rods (just check the grain weight to match). Each head is built on RIO's ultra-low stretch ConnectCore for maximum sensitivity. Anglers can attach regular leaders or VersiLeaders to the front, and these heads are perfect for nymph and indicator rigs, soft hackles and small streamers.

A Shooting Line is required to make this head fishable. We recommend RIO ConnectCore, RIO GripShooter or RIO SlickShooter

Looking for a fully integrated version of this line? RIO InTouch Trout Spey - Integrated
  • Ideal for two-handed Trout Spey rods, and single-handed rods
  • Ultra-low stretch ConnectCore for maximum performance
  • Works perfectly with tapered leaders, VersiLeaders and light tips
  • Loops on each end for fast rigging
SKUGrain SizeTrout Rod SizeSpey Rod SizeSink RateHead Length
6-21866230gr#5#2Float23ft / 7m
6-21867265gr#6#3Float23ft / 7m
6-21868305gr#7#4Float23ft / 7m
6-21869350gr#8#5Float23ft / 7m
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Jul 24, 2018

RIO InTouch Trout Spey - Full Line - New for 2019

New for 2019, From RIO
InTouch Trout Spey - A full length, no loops, easy casting, short head style perfect for soft hackles and small streamers. A scandi type line made to fish tapered leaders, versileader, (poly) leaders or light sink tips.

Also New is RIO InTouch Trout Spey Shooting Head

The INTOUCH TROUT SPEY line is a very easy casting, short head style line for anglers using light two-handed trout Spey rods, and regular single-handed fly rods (just check the grain weight to match). Each line is built on RIO's ultra-low stretch ConnectCore for maximum sensitivity, and is built with a seamlessly integrated running line for ease of use. Anglers can attach regular leaders or VersiLeaders to the front, and these lines are perfect for nymph and indicator rigs, soft hackles and small streamers.
  • Ideal for two-handed Trout Spey rods, and single-handed rods
  • Ultra-low stretch ConnectCore for maximum performance
  • Works perfectly with tapered leaders, VersiLeaders and light tips
  • Loops on each end for fast rigging
  • Integrated running line - no loops to catch
  • Yellow/Orange/Light Gray
Specs
SKUGrain SizeTrout Rod SizeSpey Rod SizeSink RateHead LengthFull Length
6-21862230gr#5#2Float23ft / 7m100ft
6-21863265gr#6#3Float23ft / 7m100ft
6-21864305gr#7#4Float23ft / 7m100ft
6-21865350gr#8#5Float23ft / 7m100ft

Also available in a "Shooting Head" version.

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Sep 23, 2017

Scientific Anglers Spey Lite Specs and Applications

Great new video that really highlight the great qualities of these micro spey lines whether it be two hand trout spey or single handed spey. The Spey Lite Skagit comes in both Head and Integrated (full line no loop) versions. The Spey Lite Scandi comes in integrated full line configuration. 



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Sep 27, 2016

Trout Spey - Why Do It


Curious, being a Northwest fly shop in the heart of Steelhead country we can get clouded into thinking that all fly anglers are involved in two hand spey. Having spent time away in other locales I've come to realize that spey is still a very small part of the overall fly fishing scene. Outside of steelhead water even when you remove the obvious non-spey circumstances such as flats angling or boat angling, I rarely find another two hand angler.

When I'm out wading in the trout stream I still feel very alone swinging a two hand rod. It's funny to watch reactions for other anglers I encounter. Some disregard what you're doing as no big deal. A few will watch for a minute with curiosity. Most will flat out not look at you and pretend you do not even exist. I try my hardest to put on my best show. Slow down, let the line rip from the water and remember to pull with the underhand to launch a sweet tight loop. I always hope I will hook up in front of one of these anglers for no other reason than throwing affirmation their way that fish can be caught without a bobber. Rarely does the hookup happen in front of others and even on the few occasions when it does usually it's in front of the ones that won't glance your way.

Why Do It?

 

To be honest normal trout tactics really don't much appeal to me. Of course dry fly fishing is one exception to that statement but even then I don't much care for it if a fly gets smaller than say a sixteen. As long as the flies are patterns that I can see on the water then I'm good but midge and baetis, you can have that stuff.

Indicator fishing is not really my thing either. I'll do it if from a guided drift boat but even then I'd rather we throw a hopper dropper setup and maybe get a fish to show himself to a chubby once in a while or let's rip some streamers. Really I wish more guides would anchor the boat and get out with anglers to wade more often. For me wading really does add to the experience.

Wade nymphing just does not interest me at all. I like to cast so lobbing a cumbersome nymph indi rig over and over again just takes away from part of the reason I'm fly fishing in the first place. If I'm just going to lob a rig than I might as well have a spinning rod in my hand and even as I make that claim it isn't true either. On the occasions that I have fished a spin rod in a stream I still want to tight line fish so I won't even lob a spin rod. I guess I just prefer to tight line fish, period!

What Was The Question? Why Do It? Why Trout Spey? Why Not!

The Cast is the first reason that comes to mind. I like to cast. Not that I will ever win any competitions at it but I cast well enough. I notice a lot of non two hand anglers have the idea that learning is really tough. My opinion is learning to spey cast is rather easy but getting good at it takes time, patience and practice. Most anglers that start spey casting with an instructor are usually fishing within minutes of picking up a two hand rod. I don't buy into the argument that it is too hard to learn.

The tight line is the second reason that comes to mind. I want to feel what's going on on the other end of the line. I'm seeking the tug. The connection to my quarry. It's real to me. The feeling of the grab indicates there is life in this stream and it wants to eat my fly!

Sink Tips

I never enjoyed casting sink tip fly lines with single hand fly rods. Let's accept some fishing facts, fish live near structure and structure is usually found in the depths and bottoms of rivers. Seams, current breaks and eddies are all created by some kind of structure. Getting your fly to these areas is not always easy. Weighted flies and sink tips on trout size fly rods can get a bit dangerous. Spey casting can remove the danger and help present a fly into these difficult areas. It removes the danger by anchoring the fly in front of you so the fly never comes flying past your body. Using two hands instead of one provides push pull mechanics to a cast that greatly increases available power to move the fly and lines (especially skagit lines) Skagit heads have greater mass to carry sink tips and weighted flies. Another benefit is you never repeatedly false cast line therefore no energy is wasted with time spent getting distance in your cast. I want to finish this paragraph with one fact for anglers that have not yet experienced spey casting, casting a sinking tip is effortless with two hand rods and you won't need shoulder surgery by the end the day.


Fishing Untapped Water

Another benefit I enjoy especially on heavily fished water is I often find myself fishing water that no one else wants to fish. Fast tail outs, long fast runs and seams on the opposite sides of the river that single hand casters cannot reach.

No Backcast Space...No Problem
And there's the backcast space. I need very little backcast space to make a two hand cast. I seek these areas on rivers were single hand anglers cannot backcast. It's like fishing untapped water. I find that even water like this that the boats drift indi's through all day can still be very productive to the swing angler. I believe fish respond because it is a different presentation than what they are use to seeing.


Not Just For Sink Tips

I know I talk a lot about sink tip fishing and all the benefits of two hand delivery but you don't have to fish sink tips with two hand rods. Some examples of fishing dry line techniques includes skating dries, tandem soft hackles and combinations of nymph and emergers can be deadly productive especially on heavily fished water. 
Swinging Soft Hackles
Somewhere along the way anglers have been convinced to fish a nymph you have to use a bobber. I'm here to tell you it's not true. I'm not writing this to dog the indicator and yes there are some pieces of water that simply won't effectively get fished without "bob" but much of the time bobs are like training wheels. They just support you while you learn. It might be time to remove the training wheels and learn to achieve connection. Just saying!

Two Hand Spey Is Not For Everyone

While I make it obvious I endorse two hand tactics let me just clarify that two hand rods are not going to replace single hand rods and many anglers won't have a need for them at all. Two hand rods really lend themselves to river environments. Generally swinging flies is a tactic to cover water and not really ideal for target casting fisheries and stillwater fisheries. Some anglers are using switch rods for overhead shoreline and beach casting because the extra length can provide a lot of leverage for distance casting. Boat angling, flats angling and sight angling is generally better suited to single hand overhead casting for both accuracy and presentation.

A Different Presentation

In this article I've often talked of showing a different presentation. I'm convinced resident fish on highly pressured water become accustomed to standard presentations. Sure these tried and true presentations still work or anglers would quit doing them but I'm not necessarily after just numbers of fish. My most memorable days are not the days I caught 50 fish. Instead my memorable days are often associated with that one brown trout that I was lucky to get a hook in and even luckier to land it. The fished that attacked my fly so hard he nearly yanked the rod from my hands. I want to catch the fish with attitude! The one that fights till the end and splashes water in my face when I release him. I'm not suggesting that you should go to the river with a one fish expectation but ask yourself this, what do you want your experience to be?
Swung on single hand Winston 9' 5wt equipped with RIO Skagit Trout Max
200gr and 8' of T-8 swinging a conehead tube fly.

What's In The Future

Actually I believe the future is unfolding now. Many like myself are figuring out that a good moderate-fast stick in the 9-10 foot range can be a great trout spey stick with the advent of the latest extreme short skagits now available from RIO, OPST, Airflo and Scientific Anglers. I'm not going to stop swinging my Sage Trout Spey HD or Winston Microspey and replace them with single hand sticks but I have experimented with and regularly employ single hand rods in the 8'6" to 9'6" range with amazing results. I think a door is wide open for a trout angler to line a reel with trout skagits and get a taste of trout spey with a rod already in ones arsenal. The cool aspect of this idea is carry an extra reel spooled with a dry line and just switch out if a hatch comes off. There's no reason to not experiment now and if trout spey hooks you then reach for a dedicated two hand stick. More about...Single Hand Skagit - How to get Started


But Why Do I Trout Spey

I trout spey to bring me closer to the stream and its inhabitants. I trout spey to give me freedom to fish weighted flies and sink tips with ease. I trout spey to swing my own flies and know that the fish in that river are seeing something they have never seen before. I trout spey to utilize water others disregard. I trout spey because it helps me find peace and serenity. I trout spey in search of something real in life that will be remembered to my dying day. I trout spey for the challenge and I live for the tug. I trout spey because I choose to do things a different way.
Greg

Jun 27, 2016

There goes Tokyo - Go Go Sculpzilla

Hard to find a leach pattern fly better than Sculpzilla. The #8 Size is a staple for stripping or swinging flies to trout with two hand rods. I like the Olive color but all of them can be producers. Fish it on a floating line and leader for slow water and shallow water or swing it on a sink tip to get it down in fast currents and tail-outs. Also great for streamer stripping from a boat. 


I believe what makes this little leach so effective is it really gets down. It's not too over-weighted but the slim size seems to help it sink and it will get heavier as the rabbit zonker gets wet. I tie most of my own flies I use today but I still have a selection of Sculpzilla's with me at all times and sometimes he's just the ticket to get a strike when nothing else seems to work. If you're a streamer junkie like I am then put a selection of these in your fly box. When the day comes you will be rewarded!



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Jul 15, 2015

New from Sage - ONE Trout Spey

ONE Trout Spey = Ultra Light Two Hand Rods specifically for trout chasers

Sage ONE Trout Spey

The ONE Trout Spey rods are designed specifically for two-handed casting and swinging flies for trout. These ultra-light Spey rods are delicate enough to protect small flies on light tippets yet are powerful enough to cast modestly weighted streamers on light sink tips. The Super Plus cork mini-Spey fore and rear grip complete these two models. These ONE models will retail for $1050 and will be available August 2015. 

“Anglers looking for ultra-light rods and rods made specifically for chasing trout with a Spey rod, now have the just that in the world-class design of the ONE rod family,” says Sage chief rod designer, Jerry Siem.

Sage builds on its successful ONE family of fly rods with the addition of the LITTLE ONE and the ONE Trout Spey. Both new rod families utilize Konnetic Technology®, Sage’s exclusive rod technology that allows for slimmer blank profiles with maximized strength and energy transfer without sacrificing line speed, responsiveness, and accuracy.

Notes From George Cook
The new One Trout Spey features the One Rod Story-line bringing premium performance through the Konnetic platform to the Small Spey World (2109-4, 3110-4).  We recently had the good fortune to put the 3110-4 to the test on Alaska’s Kenai River taking rainbows to 22”.  These rods are perfectly matched with RIO’s Skagit MAX Short (Swing Game), small sized Switch Chucker’s, along with the brand new specialized Skagit Trout Max (Some Swing Mostly Streamer Strip), and Small Scandi Tapers.  Whether you find yourself swinging a soft hackle on the Deschutes or Madison, a fall quest for Sea run Cutthroat in the Pacific Northwest or swinging streamers for Trout both near and far you have your tool in the ONE Trout Spey.

Jan 28, 2015

Two Hand Troutin' - On the Yakima

Update 2.22.2015
Swinging for trout on the Yakima Sunday with my 5 wt switch and hit this hen.

Photo Courtesy of Paul Huffman

Big for a mid Columbia Fish at about 28 inches. The rod is a Sage TCX 5119. I was experimenting with a intermediate tip head a little heavier than I started with, a RIO iShort 350gr, and 12 ft. of T-11. Luckily, I still had a 10 lb. tippet on because I had been experimenting with very heavy flies and didn't want to snap any more off. She grabbed a little olive rattlesnake skulpin. We only have 44 steelhead over Roza at this time and I found one! No time for a great photo. I had to get her unhooked and released quickly. The take was very unlike a steelhead. She didn't grab it on the hang down, but after a few strips in through some very quiet water.

Update 2.12.2015 - Not on the Yak but still a great trout spey catch...Thanks Paul

Photo by Paul Huffman - Methow Cutthroat

Update 2.9.2015
Paul added...

I got a chance to try the RIO iShort 350 on Jan. 31. 

 I liked the extra weight of the head. The intermediate sinking front end gets the sink tip a few inches deeper than a floater, but I'm not sure how much deeper the fly gets. I'm not sure it makes much sense from the standpoint of making it stealthy to the fish to make the front end transparent because I'm going to be attaching it to a opaque tip or leader. Maybe that's the easiest way to manufacture a intermediate end. But I had to guess where the head was pointing. I could see the bright orange proximal end, but the orientation of the distal end took some interpolation. The idea from the manufacturers and the shops that getting half the head under the surface gets it away from the shearing surface currents and helps you swing slower seems bogus to me. There are probably shearing subsurface currents as well, but you can't see what they are doing to your line. And any hydrologist will tell you the surface velocity is generally going to be slower than subsurface. In a natural stream, you generally find the highest velocity 20 to 40% down from the surface.

I had no problem clearing the iShort to the surface for the upstream snap. It wasn't to heavy to throw with my Sage TCX 5119. However, it wasn't much help in casting that big Dali Lama.

1.28.2015

We love to hear your stories and see your pictures. This article comes to us from a great customer named Paul Huffman. Paul primarily fishes for Steelhead but like us he is now looking toward the many other possibilities we can adapt two hand strategy to. Paul has found some great success on the Yakima River and has kindly shared his findings with us. Thank you Paul

Yakima River Bow

Frozen waders

I'm recovering from shoulder surgery on my non-casting side, so snowboarding is out of the question for a bit longer. I've had to settle with winter fishing on the Yakima and experimenting with my 5 wt. switch, a Sage TCX 5119-4.


I tried both my single handed 5 wt. and the switch rod and found single-handed casting is a lot harder because my left arm has to come up higher to haul line. When I'm doing standard two-hand casts, my left hand stays comfortably low.

I've been having fun swinging skulpins on a sink tip. It's like like steelheading in miniature. For years, I struggled with a single-hand 5 wt. and a sink tip. I'd do lots of tricks to find some back cast room to get a cast across the current, like casting off-handed, false casting up and down the river then changing direction, wading way out, or finding a hole in the brush behind me, hitting it with as long a back cast as I could, then hauling hard into the forward cast while releasing loops of line held in my mouth. Now with the switch rod, it's just a sweep and a flick, and care not to cast too far!

Yakima River Valley

I remember talking with Travis Duddles about streamer fishing a few years ago, and was surprised to hear that not that many trout fishermen used streamers on the Deschutes River. However, people like Greg Darling may be changing some minds. Streamer fishing has been a standard technique on the Yakima for a long time. For me, November has always been the best month. Some days I'd fish streamers until the mid-day BWO hatch started, I'd do well on tiny dry flies for an hour or an hour and a half, then go back to catching big rainbows on streamers after the hatch. It seems like the BWOs bring fish into the feeding areas, but they be willing to eat anything while they wait for the hatch.

However, I am finding there are some flies that are too heavy and bulky to cast well with a 5 wt. switch. It doesn't have the backbone of my 8 wt. steelhead rod. An example is the Dali Lama streamer, which is heavy both because of the cone head and the water absorbant twin bunny strips. I'm using a RIO Skagit Max Short 325gr. which should be better at this than some other lines, like a Scandi or a triangle taper. The heavy flies stick in the water a little too much right at a critical moment at the outbound cast, "tripping" the cast. The best way I've found to compensate is to sweep the line to the surface a little harder. For a snap-T, this would be to flip the line upstream, then sweep it downstream to get the leader tight and the fly near the surface, then quickly swing into the loop formation, make a crisp stop, wait for the loop to fully form and tighten, and have the loop, p-point, and target aligned carefully. I snapped off a couple heavy flies either struggling to roll the tip up prior to sweeping or on the outbound cast, so I had to step up to a 10 lb. tippet. It seems like that heavy tippet would decrease strikes in clear water. Still, it's probably easier than trying to cast the Dali Lama with a single handed rod.

Ice
After a little more experimenting, I found that maybe the way to go deep is to put the weight on the line, not the fly. I had been using sinking leaders and ten to twelve feet of T-7. I reached into my steelhead wallet as an experiment. First, I tried 6 ft. of T-11, reasoning that I couldn't add on a lot of extra weight. But that short tip required an adjustment to my casting rhythm. Then I tried the full 12 ft. length of T-11, and was surprised how well that cast. The casts would just rocket out there with a moderately weighted streamer. My conclusion: weight on the fly line is easier to cast than weight on the end of the leader.

When I was able to get both hands up to my tying vice, I experimented with skulpins on Protubes. They are pretty bulky with that clipped deer muddler head. The ones I tied with steel eyes, and the ones with steel eyes with a flexiweight cast well. But when I added a drop weight with the steel eyes, those were too heavy.

Swing Water
Some guys at washingtonflyfishing.com had some useful advice, some not so helpful. Some guys wanted to blame my casting ability, but I explained that everything I cast on the TCX casts like a dream, except when I reached a distinct threshold of fly weight. Others told me I should maybe try a slightly heavier Skagit Max Short 350 grain. Lots of people have been telling me to try an intermediate head. I'll have to try it. Still, it's nice to be able to just switch the tip on the floating Compact Short to a straight piece of mono and have a killer nymphing rig. I can cover a lot of water with an indicator rig, throwing it way up stream and getting a real long drift past me to the downstream swing.

I like the TCX switch for hopper fishing, for trout and steelhead nymphing, for swinging streamers for trout. I can even see myself using it for Deschutes red sides during the big stone hatch for throwing those big foam imitations. I might not ever use my single hand 5 wt. much anymore except for BWO hatches.

Contributed by Paul Huffman

Thanks Paul for your insights. I think you will get in the zone with a RIO Skagit Max Short 350gr or an Airflo Skagit Switch 360 gr although casting #2 Dali's will likely never be easy on a your TCX 5119. The rod is a champion but everything has it's limits. 


Question for our readers out there: What lines are you throwing with your TCX 5119? We'd sure like to hear about it


Thanks again Paul and Keep on Swinging!
Best,
Greg


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